It's more like PR Molecule Man was in a unique situation to fight Beyonder because Molecule Man's powers were derrived from PR Beyonder's Dimension. vs Arioch vs Dormammu Rules: Round 1:Winner by death, surrender, capture, Random encounter. With just the Beyonders it would be a good battle and "might" even favor the DC trio for the win. . The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. . So. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. #1. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. . KingOfAsh. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. . Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. This is Marvel Vs Dc to see who has had the biggest Villain threats of all time. ago. master. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. ultimatewarrior123. Forum Posts. 2. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Follow 3313. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it]. ShootingNova. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. FollowHere's the deal. Side note: I'm using this version of. Followers. Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. vs. Wiki. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. OrdinaryAlan. Team 1 wins. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . Wiki Points. ago. Follow 10594. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. The art work and what not is horrible. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. ago. Oct 30, 2006. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to him. ShootingNova. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. 0. Follow 8935. Well, uh. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Round 1: CAS vs. Mad Jim Jaspers Vs. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. 0. PR beyonder. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. level 2 · 1y. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. Adm1ralSnackbar. Flagged (sorry!) 11 years ago. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". lazerbeak. PR Beyonder absolutely evaporates John Constantine from existence, then brings him back, only to evaporate him again. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. This topic is locked from further discussion. The Beyonder is at full power and wants to destroy the universe, you can assemble a team of 10 cosmic beings from Marvel and DC to stop him, out of t. Win by death, KO, incap PR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. Home Lists Doctor Manhattan Vs. g2_ Follow 14321. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. Battle has been done so many damn times. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. Karkus. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. TOAA is above all. (The bKorvac wields Power Cosmic. He. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. (Cuz there are none. Lord Urizen. Follow 16064. 13 years ago. 14 years ago Lance. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. And the LT he beat was undefined. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. Living Tribunal. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Crom-Cruach said: "GL on all of them. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. Who is a better god like figure? This thread is archived. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. Unkindness Raven vs PR Beyonder TheDevil98. Jul 30, 2018. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. Adm1ralSnackbar. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. . Beyonder easily. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. . Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Kuuko273. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. is TOAA, or at least part of him. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. I forget her name. Dr. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. Reviews. 6 years ago deactivated. 4 years ago. 1344. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. So, yeah, no worries there. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. The Two fight in the beyond realm. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. 9 years ago. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. #41 cdavis6149. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. Beyonder 39%. No. Doom. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Victory by permanent death or erasure. The One Above All. 0. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. He. but a little known dc character, part of the vertigo universe, Saints of Killers. Round 1: CAS vs. PR Beyonder was crazy powerful, and i have seen threads where he would beat thought robot superman. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. He's in seriouLiving Tribunal has been repeatedly demolished by reality warpers who have total control over the multiverse. The unfortunate thing is that Lucifer and Michael best most of the characters listed there,and only really get stalemated by like 2. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. 3rd. • 1 year ago. They have been - however, the influence of the Phoenix now extends to the realm of the Beyonders, which is the same realm where the Beyonder from the 80s is from. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. Lucifer WINS. @laflux said: MOM. Wiki Points. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Wiki Points. Followers. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. they have quite the lineup. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. Forum Posts. Bo88gdan. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. Follow 23177. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. LT did not get involved in the Beyonder/Owen fight, because he knew he was outmatched, and Owen was the multiverse's only hope. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). Report Save. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. 29. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract Ent PR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. 11 years ago. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. Follow 25782. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. 13 years agoLet's leave out TOAA/Presence. unicron didnt live threw the big bang he slept threw the omniversarall big bang beyonder took over the multiver/omniverse,unicron ate it/absubed it. 5. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). 11 years ago. BEYONDERGOD. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. buster wise, and low level reality warper, that stuffPR Beyonder feats, Chuck Norris facts, Woody Wood Pecker whatevers. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. green_skaar. doomsday49. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. 9 years ago. So who wins this epic clash to end all clashes? Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Thanos w/ Infinity Gauntlet. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. PR Beyonder. Ehh closest would be PR Beyonder I guess The closest would be geb i think him and the presence when combined are absolute infinite everything. "GL Kilowog >Odin Thor? "Perhaps not in sheer power, but in implementation. Forums. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. Gen. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. First Firmament (Maybe biased)ALTERNATE VERSION: THE AFTERMATH OF SUPERMAN PRIME vs MONARCH: After defeating Monarch & the demise of Universe 51, Superman Prime senses that hisPR Beyonder should have no problem soloing, even if everyone else was in the other team. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. 0. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. Business, Economics, and Finance. PR Beyonder's best feat is embodying a realm beyond the multiverse. PR Beyonder had every single abstract and Living Tribunal at his knees. ". The BeyondersVS. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. 2. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @AtPhantom said: "The wiki is kinda correct, since he gained the power of omega beams when he acquired the effect. Forums. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. User Lists: 0As for the actual two strongest in each verse, I'd maybe say PR-Beyonder vs Lucifer Morningstar/The Gentry/ The Empty Hand. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. Wiki Points. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. 0. Phoenix is on par with those guys. No chance of being omnipotent. The PR Beyonder isn't from the universe and isn't bound by its limitations. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. LocatiNew Comics. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. BEYONDERGOD. Follow 88. Doom. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. . The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. 1 year ago. 10 years ago. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. TOAA; Presence; Great Evil Beast; Living Tribunal; Scathan; Protégé; PR-Beyonder; PR-Molecule Man; Lucifer Morningstar; Michael Demiurgos. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. Wiki Points. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. Nothing more needs to be said. 7740. Don't worry give it couple of hours and you will see people saying that Odin solo the scpverse Anyway I meant that R3 = R4 = R5, TOAA. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Who wins? & who are each U's Omniversal beings? If someone does DC, I'll then do marvels to show there superiAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. Round 2: Thanos has 1 year. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. User. Yes. When Goku fought Tao the second time, at that point, I think Goku was stronger than Master Roshi was when they fought at the. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. 63 results. By no means is he actually more powerful than the Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, etc. Followers. The PR Beyonder saw the multiverse as a. Doom, and Constantine team up, trick Presence into coming to Marvel Universe where he isn't. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. lannfear. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Phoenix is on par with those guys. @Pr_Beyonder: Yes. 4 years ago. Gen. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. The beyonder should be able to Reply CyberpunkV2077 • Additional comment actions. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Either way, Beyonder is objectively stronger. Basically this. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. R5: Dr. Darkseid depends, but i think a hakai would destroy an avatar. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. Forum Posts. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. Gen. His isn't from another universe. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. Whats the Greater Force of Power? COSMIC? or MAGIC? you be the Judge. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed. In your opinion, what is the most impressive feat that any character from history has ever done. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. 8551. Kryptonian (Superman) 2.